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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://whitneyclaire.com/blog/2009/03/the-supression-of-art-in-today/comment-page-1/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say keep shooting! Most people should be flattered, and those that aren&#039;t are uptight and they don&#039;t deserve to dictate your fun. Just be ready to explain yourself when asked. You could always make something up: &quot;I&#039;m working for a new reality TV show called &#039;We&#039;d like to hand you a million dollars&#039; but as you&#039;ve asked me to stop we&#039;ll take our work elsewhere. Thanks for your time.&quot;

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Melissa’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://melissaoh.com/2009/04/one-night-in-charlotte-and-the-worlds-your-oyster/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;One night in Charlotte and the world’s your oyster&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say keep shooting! Most people should be flattered, and those that aren&#8217;t are uptight and they don&#8217;t deserve to dictate your fun. Just be ready to explain yourself when asked. You could always make something up: &#8220;I&#8217;m working for a new reality TV show called &#8216;We&#8217;d like to hand you a million dollars&#8217; but as you&#8217;ve asked me to stop we&#8217;ll take our work elsewhere. Thanks for your time.&#8221;</p>
<p><abbr><em>Melissa’s last blog post..<a href="http://melissaoh.com/2009/04/one-night-in-charlotte-and-the-worlds-your-oyster/" rel="nofollow">One night in Charlotte and the world’s your oyster</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: whitney claire</title>
		<link>http://whitneyclaire.com/blog/2009/03/the-supression-of-art-in-today/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>whitney claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Jim: Yeah, I don&#039;t know why I stopped that!  Thought it&#039;s hard to be &quot;covert&quot; when you&#039;re the only person in the place!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Cece: I completely agree.  I think that shop owners are missing out on loads of free advertising.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Devon:  THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for that fantastic link.  While it still greatly annoys me that people are so paranoid that they feel the need to curb people&#039;s creativity, I&#039;m happy to follow guidelines / laws when I know what they are.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Melissa:  I&#039;m always amazed at what bother&#039;s people.  I am the kind of person that often carries a camera around and is jut looking for random artsy shots.  So it&#039;s often difficult for me to call ahead for permission.  I&#039;d be making phone calls all day if I did that!  I might have had the composure to explain that I was just taking pictures for my own personal pleasure and enjoyment except that I was totally taken aback and offended in the manner in which I was approached by the shop owners.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suppose since I would never &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt; dare use my photography for evil it&#039;s hard for me to grasp why people would automatically assume that the person with the camera has malicious intent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sigh&lt;/em&gt; - I guess I&#039;ll just have to do some more &quot;shooting from the hip&quot; from now on.  Trouble with my best friend the Pentax K-1000 is that the shutter is anything but silent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim: Yeah, I don&#8217;t know why I stopped that!  Thought it&#8217;s hard to be &#8220;covert&#8221; when you&#8217;re the only person in the place!</p>
<p>@Cece: I completely agree.  I think that shop owners are missing out on loads of free advertising.</p>
<p>@Devon:  THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for that fantastic link.  While it still greatly annoys me that people are so paranoid that they feel the need to curb people&#8217;s creativity, I&#8217;m happy to follow guidelines / laws when I know what they are.</p>
<p>@Melissa:  I&#8217;m always amazed at what bother&#8217;s people.  I am the kind of person that often carries a camera around and is jut looking for random artsy shots.  So it&#8217;s often difficult for me to call ahead for permission.  I&#8217;d be making phone calls all day if I did that!  I might have had the composure to explain that I was just taking pictures for my own personal pleasure and enjoyment except that I was totally taken aback and offended in the manner in which I was approached by the shop owners.</p>
<p>I suppose since I would never <em>ever</em> dare use my photography for evil it&#8217;s hard for me to grasp why people would automatically assume that the person with the camera has malicious intent.</p>
<p><em>Sigh</em> &#8211; I guess I&#8217;ll just have to do some more &#8220;shooting from the hip&#8221; from now on.  Trouble with my best friend the Pentax K-1000 is that the shutter is anything but silent.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://whitneyclaire.com/blog/2009/03/the-supression-of-art-in-today/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for a newspaper for several years and also have a background as a creative director for a small women&#039;s magazine. I spent a period of time in both roles as a photographer. Devon is absolutely correct about the inside of businesses being different from the outside - I found that if I asked permission first (usually by calling ahead) and explained what it was for, shop owners were typically very welcoming. As Cecilia says, free marketing! Of course, as someone in your position who wants to shoot a photo merely because you find your subject something you want to look at later, it seems like a lot of trouble to go &quot;ask first,&quot; so it can be very frustrating!

I also had to deal with the problem when it was in public. Shooting a street festival or county fair, for example, on rare occasions would warrant someone pitching a fit about getting their photo taken for one reason or another. In this case, they absolutely did not have a right to be angry - it was a public place, and they chose to be in that public place. To avoid controversy I typically just agreed not to use their photo and move on. You never know what someone has been through to not make them want to be photographed.

True story #1: A women came in the newspaper one day to yell at a photographer who had submitted a photo of the woman&#039;s horse for publication. The woman was angry because the horse HAD A RUNNY NOSE and it MADE HIM LOOK BAD. I am not kidding.

Tru story #2: Another woman came to the newspaper angry because someone had photographed her in a public place dancing with a man who was not her husband and this photo, published the day before, had apparently landed her in hot water. 

Moral of this story: Blow your nose and your horse&#039;s nose before you leave the house.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Melissa’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://melissaoh.com/2009/03/uninvited-dinner-party-guest-wait-thats-me/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uninvited dinner party guest (wait, that’s me)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for a newspaper for several years and also have a background as a creative director for a small women&#8217;s magazine. I spent a period of time in both roles as a photographer. Devon is absolutely correct about the inside of businesses being different from the outside &#8211; I found that if I asked permission first (usually by calling ahead) and explained what it was for, shop owners were typically very welcoming. As Cecilia says, free marketing! Of course, as someone in your position who wants to shoot a photo merely because you find your subject something you want to look at later, it seems like a lot of trouble to go &#8220;ask first,&#8221; so it can be very frustrating!</p>
<p>I also had to deal with the problem when it was in public. Shooting a street festival or county fair, for example, on rare occasions would warrant someone pitching a fit about getting their photo taken for one reason or another. In this case, they absolutely did not have a right to be angry &#8211; it was a public place, and they chose to be in that public place. To avoid controversy I typically just agreed not to use their photo and move on. You never know what someone has been through to not make them want to be photographed.</p>
<p>True story #1: A women came in the newspaper one day to yell at a photographer who had submitted a photo of the woman&#8217;s horse for publication. The woman was angry because the horse HAD A RUNNY NOSE and it MADE HIM LOOK BAD. I am not kidding.</p>
<p>Tru story #2: Another woman came to the newspaper angry because someone had photographed her in a public place dancing with a man who was not her husband and this photo, published the day before, had apparently landed her in hot water. </p>
<p>Moral of this story: Blow your nose and your horse&#8217;s nose before you leave the house.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Melissa’s last blog post..<a href="http://melissaoh.com/2009/03/uninvited-dinner-party-guest-wait-thats-me/" rel="nofollow">Uninvited dinner party guest (wait, that’s me)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jean Thomey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Thomey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, it IS rediculous!!!  But it resulted in a very amusing and thought-provoking blog, didn&#039;t it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, it IS rediculous!!!  But it resulted in a very amusing and thought-provoking blog, didn&#8217;t it!</p>
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		<title>By: Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
  How is that I, as an artist and a photographer, am no longer allowed to go to public places and photograph what I see to display as art!!!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately, the interior of stores is private property, not public.  The owners have the right to prohibit photography while you&#039;re inside.  If you&#039;re out on the sidewalk (public property), taking a picture of the exterior, you&#039;re fine.

Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;useful intro to photographer&#039;s rights&lt;/a&gt; that can answer many of your questions.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Devon’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://devaburger.com/post/90608918&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Less Broody
Did a new Processing sketch.  Almost makes it look...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
  How is that I, as an artist and a photographer, am no longer allowed to go to public places and photograph what I see to display as art!!!
</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, the interior of stores is private property, not public.  The owners have the right to prohibit photography while you&#8217;re inside.  If you&#8217;re out on the sidewalk (public property), taking a picture of the exterior, you&#8217;re fine.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm" rel="nofollow">useful intro to photographer&#8217;s rights</a> that can answer many of your questions.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Devon’s last blog post..<a href="http://devaburger.com/post/90608918" rel="nofollow">Less Broody<br />
Did a new Processing sketch.  Almost makes it look&#8230;</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Robbins Midkiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Robbins Midkiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really gets my goat is when someone says photographing tombstones is an invasion of privacy: http://ancestories1.blogspot.com/2009/03/photographing-gravestones-invasion-of.html

And welcome to the Genea-Blogosphere, Whitney!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Miriam Robbins Midkiff’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ancestories1.blogspot.com/2009/03/saturday-night-fun-finding-fhl.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Saturday Night Fun - Finding FHL Resources&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really gets my goat is when someone says photographing tombstones is an invasion of privacy: <a href="http://ancestories1.blogspot.com/2009/03/photographing-gravestones-invasion-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://ancestories1.blogspot.com/2009/03/photographing-gravestones-invasion-of.html</a></p>
<p>And welcome to the Genea-Blogosphere, Whitney!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Miriam Robbins Midkiff’s last blog post..<a href="http://ancestories1.blogspot.com/2009/03/saturday-night-fun-finding-fhl.html" rel="nofollow">Saturday Night Fun &#8211; Finding FHL Resources</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Cecelia Spitznas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cecelia Spitznas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the unfortunate experience of being asked just this week to not take pictures in Tyson&#039;s Galleria because of their &quot;no photo policy&quot;. The security guard was very nice about it but I found it ironic that in the biggest recession since the Great Depression the most expensive Mall in DC would get precious about the privacy of their kalanchoe. Yes, I&#039;m an unemployed photographer who is going to steal  kalanchoe!  Seriously if I was I&#039;d go to the Ritz Carlton and steal something much more esoteric.  It was especially funny because the whole reason I had my camera was I was going to the Ritz Camera to buy a $90.00 accessory but the Ritz Camera had closed either  a victim of the recession or their chi chi prices or possibly (dare I hope) decamping in protest of the Mall&#039;s no photo policy!!! 

It is also odd when everywhere you go people can take pictures with their cell phones and nobody knows if they are taking pictures or not. If you&#039;d whipped out your iPhone you would not have had a problem. 

Legally  people in the US are entitled to be the only one&#039;s who profit from their private property including images of them and their children. While you can take pictures for editorial purposes you can&#039;t  for commercial publication or to make it look like they endorse something they don&#039;t endorse. Apparently &quot;art&quot; falls in between in a grey area. If you think about it, if you slapped Iceberry&#039;s on a lunchbox and sold a million of them they&#039;d be pissed but of course if you did this as  a marketing company, it would be worth gold to them in free advertising. So maybe that&#039;s the approach you need to take. Hi, I&#039;m WCM, mind if I market your company for FREE? 

But I agree-people are totally nuts.  And FYI I have found Southern States and the nursery over in Lincoln are very happy to have you snap whatever you&#039;d like. 

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cecelia Spitznas’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://dogmanic.blogspot.com/2009/03/better-than-astronaut-phone.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Better Than an Astronaut Phone&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the unfortunate experience of being asked just this week to not take pictures in Tyson&#8217;s Galleria because of their &#8220;no photo policy&#8221;. The security guard was very nice about it but I found it ironic that in the biggest recession since the Great Depression the most expensive Mall in DC would get precious about the privacy of their kalanchoe. Yes, I&#8217;m an unemployed photographer who is going to steal  kalanchoe!  Seriously if I was I&#8217;d go to the Ritz Carlton and steal something much more esoteric.  It was especially funny because the whole reason I had my camera was I was going to the Ritz Camera to buy a $90.00 accessory but the Ritz Camera had closed either  a victim of the recession or their chi chi prices or possibly (dare I hope) decamping in protest of the Mall&#8217;s no photo policy!!! </p>
<p>It is also odd when everywhere you go people can take pictures with their cell phones and nobody knows if they are taking pictures or not. If you&#8217;d whipped out your iPhone you would not have had a problem. </p>
<p>Legally  people in the US are entitled to be the only one&#8217;s who profit from their private property including images of them and their children. While you can take pictures for editorial purposes you can&#8217;t  for commercial publication or to make it look like they endorse something they don&#8217;t endorse. Apparently &#8220;art&#8221; falls in between in a grey area. If you think about it, if you slapped Iceberry&#8217;s on a lunchbox and sold a million of them they&#8217;d be pissed but of course if you did this as  a marketing company, it would be worth gold to them in free advertising. So maybe that&#8217;s the approach you need to take. Hi, I&#8217;m WCM, mind if I market your company for FREE? </p>
<p>But I agree-people are totally nuts.  And FYI I have found Southern States and the nursery over in Lincoln are very happy to have you snap whatever you&#8217;d like. </p>
<p><abbr><em>Cecelia Spitznas’s last blog post..<a href="http://dogmanic.blogspot.com/2009/03/better-than-astronaut-phone.html" rel="nofollow">Better Than an Astronaut Phone</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Spitznas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Spitznas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Whitney -

Yes, it is rather ridiculous!  I think you should continue to perfect the &quot;covert snap&quot; as you taught me in NYC.   That way nobody will be any to the wiser.

Jim

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jim Spitznas’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goldfeatherphoto.com/gallery/7048594_8KkNG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;All Bird Images&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Whitney -</p>
<p>Yes, it is rather ridiculous!  I think you should continue to perfect the &#8220;covert snap&#8221; as you taught me in NYC.   That way nobody will be any to the wiser.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jim Spitznas’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.goldfeatherphoto.com/gallery/7048594_8KkNG" rel="nofollow">All Bird Images</a></em></abbr></p>
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